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Open Post for Developing a Program - 2007/07/14 17:47
Ive always liked the open post offense because it teaches my players how to play the game. With back door cuts, screen and replace, flares, hand offs and pick and rolls. You name it and you can do it out of the open post. I put it in with my jr high and it has worked like a charm for them as far as learning the game goes. It requires all players to be able to post up and handle the basketball. I was wondering if there are any other coaches out there who use this offense and what are your opinions about it. Thoughts on how to make it better, what worked for you. Hope to hear from everyone.
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Re:Open Post for Developing a Program - 2007/07/14 20:26
Could you go into a little detail about open post? Is that an offense? I don't think ive heard of it before. But i think when you're young you want to be very sound w/ your fundamentals. Just because you're a center doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to handle the ball. And if you're a guard it doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to post up or crash the boards. One of my peers even said " Im a point guard, i don't rebound", they make excuses for not doing something. But in basketball these days, there are so few players that want to actually play in the post and grab boards. For some reason so many people these days are perimeter oriented. They all want to play on the perimeter because they can touch the ball. But if you really think about it its easiest to score inside the paint. Players get the impression that if you're the biggest guy on the court then you shouldn't play in the post. You don't have to be the biggest guy or tallest, look at Hakeem Olajuwon and Charles Barkley.
Getting back to my point. I think its important that all players know how to function in every situation. Whether that means playing post defense or playing perimeter D. Or Posting up and handling the ball. So if everyone on the floor can do everything you'll have a lot of mismatches because if you're guard knows how to post then an opposing guard probably won't be used to post D. And you can score easily. Or if you're big man can put the ball on the floor perhaps the opposing big man doesn't know how to defend that. Its always good to have a lot of weapons. If you're bigger and stronger, post up. Quicker , take him off the dribble.
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Re:Open Post for Developing a Program - 2007/07/14 23:24
thanks for the reply,
open post is another name for the 5-out motion offense. All 5 players are on the perimeter, using all principles of motion offense out there. We use, down screens, backdoors, flares, slips, curls, ball screens, doubles away. We also post up out of it by flashing a post in a regular vbasket cut and having them turn and pin there man when in the post are so its easy to take advantage of mis-matches. Hope this gives some clarity. The reason I like this offense is it makes all the player play all 5 spots, its hard to scout and its great for smaller teams and disciplined teams because you can run it until you get what you want.
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Re:Open Post for Developing a Program - 2007/07/14 23:43
I'm with you 100%, Coach T. I've used the Open Post with my middle school team for eight or nine years, except for a one-year try at 4-out, 1-in. (We had three 5'11" or taller girls that year that didn't move or handle well.)
We were just as successful running 4-out as 5-out, but I was never as comfortable with it. Teach what you know, they say. Now when we get a weak handler we give them game rules to cover up a little (e.g. screen instead of pop, shorten their perimeter).
Since we use the "play to win but practice to improve" philosophy, those girls usually do the same thing as everyone else in practice. They just have change-ups for the games.
Over the last two years our offense has actually evolved from the traditional pass & cut open post to more of a drive and kick offense. We have been using the progression Rim-Post-Action, where Rim means "Do I have a shot or a drive for a score", Post means "Do I have a player posted or cutting to the basket I can pass to?", and Action means pass the ball on the perimeter or dribble at (run the play).
Lots of times we never get past Rim.
That's OK, though. It makes for aggressive players and rarely do they take a bad shot. The only problem with playing that way is it makes it hard to kill the clock. We had to have some focused practice last year dedicated to patience.
I really enjoy teaching the offense and like the freedom it gives the players. I would love to discuss it more.
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Re:Open Post for Developing a Program - 2007/07/14 23:53
David,
Yea Im in agreement with you as well. I love the 5-out I know it and I feel the kids pick it up fairly easy. I like the rim, post action sequene you use I might put that in when the pre-season practice rolls around. What kind of defense do you use with it. I know a successful coach from my are who matchup presses on makes and mans or matches up in the halfcourt on misses. I believe a pressing defense goes well w/this style of offense. Thoughts?
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Re:Open Post for Developing a Program - 2007/07/15 00:20
I got Rim, Post, Action from Don Meyer. I wanted to change the words a little, but those were too burned into my brain. I just changed the definitions a little.
Sometimes Rim and Post have to happen simultaneously. I don't want somebody shooting a jumper when someone else is open under the basket.
As far as defense goes, we play only man. It's full court on a make or whistle, and half court on a miss. Sometimes we deny full court and sometimes we let it in. Sometimes we trap and sometimes we don't.
I think pressing can go with any offense, including the open post, if you are equally aggressive on offense. If you want to be patient on offense, though, say swing it six or seven times, then any press would have to be a patient, delaying type of press, like the 2-2-1 Ohio State ran last year.
I believe it's very difficult to get players to attack on defense and then be patient on offense, especially at the middle school level. Those poles seem to want to pull together and you end up not as aggressive as you need on defense and not as patient as you want on offense.
Just my opinion. 
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