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4 Out 1 In Offense - 2006/10/13 18:12 Does anyone have any breakdown drills for the 4 Out 1 In Motion Offense??

Thanks!!

-Dave Stahnke

Post edited by: Dave Stahnke, at: 2006/10/13 18:13
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Re:4 Out 1 In Offense - 2006/10/17 09:40 Dave Stahnke wrote:
Does anyone have any breakdown drills for the 4 Out 1 In Motion Offense??


There are web sites out there where you might find information on the 4 out 1 in. Try doing a google search on "4 out 1 in basketball offense" and that alone will give you numerous hits. The idea here is to try and keep this site from becoming just another "do you have a drill" site.

Here's one on the 4 out, 1 in-
http://www.guidetocoachingbasketball.com/one-four.htm

And another-
http://www.coachesclipboard.net/4Out1InMotionOffense.html

And one more-
http://www.jes-soft.com/playbook/pla2-guard4-out-1-inmotion.html

Here's a book on Majerus's version-
http://www.championshipproductions.com/cgi-bin/champ/BD-02489.html


Good luck.
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Re: 4 Out 1 In Offense - 2006/10/17 10:28 Wow, the Majerus DVD set is expensive, but Majerus is a master teacher. Everything I know about teaching a 4 out offense comes from working the University of Utah Basketball Camps when Majerus was the Head Coach.

As far as drills, it depends what you are trying to accomplish with your team; what are the strengths and weaknesses. Is the goal to isolate a post player? Create space for dribble penetration? Set double screens for a shooter?

Majerus says: "O-ffense is spacing and spacing is O-ffense." So, I suppose all drills should emphasize the spacing of the players.
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Re:4 Out 1 In Offense - 2006/10/17 13:04 What are we trying to accomplish with this site? I thought it was the exchange of ideas?? I was just asking if any of the coaches had breakdown drills for the 4 Out 1 In they have used that might help us install this offense.

Brian.... We are looking basically for drills that will help teach the basic movement of the offense.

I am sorry if I compromised the intergrity of the board with this question.

-Dave
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Re:4 Out 1 In Offense - 2006/10/17 13:15 It depends on your idea of a 4 out-1 in offense. Vance Walberg runs a 4 out offense and it is in no way similar to Majerus' 4 -out offense.

To work on Walberg's offense, I'd watch the Denver Nuggets training camp that is linked in the NBA Training Camp idea, as Karl does some stuff to build his concepts. His a more isolation-penetrate and kick offense.

As for Majerus' offense, any drill used to work on screening, reading he screen, rolling on the screen, etc.
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Re:4 Out 1 In Offense - 2006/10/17 14:25 I'm a big fan of the 4-out 1-in...but there are so many ways to run it!!! Just as there are many ways to run a 3-2 motion set.

I guess the best answer I can provide is - start with the motion in your offense, from the beginning.

For example: How will you play it?

1. How is it initiated? With a pass to the wing? The dribble via a hand-off or simply a push-through? The dribble, but only if the pass is not avaialble? Paul Hewitt's motion sets are initiated in large part through their secondary break (and encourage their guards to post up).

2. Once the first pass is made, will you look to run a pick and roll, attack via give-and-go or backdoor, look to go immediately into the post, allow your wing to play in isolation...or will you never attack on the first side, preferring use motion and a ball reversal to force movement and an opening in the defense?

1a and 2a. Will you run this the same way versus a m2m sag and a m2m deny? What will you do in the event of a run and jump on the first pass to the wing? Will you modify the motion to attack a zone (odd or even front)?

Etc., etc...

Once you answer these questions, you simply take the motion offense you'll employ, and "breakdown" the segments into 1on0, 2on0, 3on0, 1v1, 2v1, 2v2, 3v2, etc. drills which mimick the situations your players will likely see.

For a good example, pick up Morgan Wooten's "Coaching Basketball Successfully". In it, you'll see he breaks down his (3-2)motion offense into guard work and forward work...simple 2-guard drills like: pass,shallow cut,dribble to replace,make return pass,shot; later build to include the third wing and movement on the weak side if there's penetration, based on the angle (e.g., penetration baseline: weakside wing flashes baseline corner; pentration middle: top guard replaces ball side wing, weakside wing replaces top guard for kick-out).

Sorry if I'm not doing a good job of explaining here - but I guess it's just tough for anyone to answer a question about breakdown drills for an offense without knowing the details/rules for the offense.

The real answer is either: create your own based on your needs; or find one you like by another coach (like Hewitt, Majerus, etc.), and buy the DVD's/books.
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