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noglory
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Off Season Shooting Workouts - 2008/05/06 13:06 Looking for some opinions on off-season shooting workouts (or workouts in general). Obviously at the low end, you have some players who do nothing all summer (and a few of them still manage to be decent players). I saw a show where Pete Maravich estimated that as a kid, he spent 12 hours a day in the summer practicing. Wow. A colleague told me he read an article that said Jon Diebler (a freshman at Ohio State) shot 1000 shots per day in Jr. Hi and HS.

I am looking for some realistic numbers. How many shots per day or week? How much time? I don't want people to burn out.

I was hoping to give them some ranges and say things like...If you want to stay where you are, you can hang out at the pool all day every day. If you want to be a decent shooter, you need to shoot X per week. If you want to be a "go-to" shooter, you need to shoot X per week. If you want to be all-state you'll need to shoot at least X per week before you can even think about it.

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Re:Off Season Shooting Workouts - 2008/05/28 21:15 How good of a shooter does he/she want to be? Answering that question first will give you your answer to how many shots to take. I like the idea, if possible to chart your shots..Catch/shoot shots, Catch/dribble shots, Cut/shoot shots. Shooting is more fun I think if you can keep score or time or set some challenges...
I listened to an assistant coach of the Timberwolves in ND a few weekends ago telling the audience that your mind is like a hard drive in a computer. It records all of the misses and makes, and to be a confident shooter your makes have to outnumber your misses...a simple but good point.
I see you mentioned the "burnout" word...I sometimes struggle with why that word is only mentioned in athletics? I don't think I've ever heard..."you keep playing that piano and you'll get burnt out"..Interesting. I feel if your doing what you enjoy, why would burn out exist? I do understand days off will "refresh" your legs, etc.

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Re:Off Season Shooting Workouts - 2008/05/29 02:05 I took a year off before I went to college, and almost didn't come back from Europe, because I was burned out on school. Burn out happens in a lot of things.

Josh Waitzkin has a good two part blog on the problems with learning in our society. Much of what he says can be applied to athletics as well:

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2008/05/25/the-multitasking-virus-and-the-end-of-learning-part- 1/

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog/2008/05/26/the-multitasking-virus-and-the-end-of-learning-part- 2/

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Re:Off Season Shooting Workouts - 2008/05/29 19:20 I think about this topic a lot. Here are a few things I think are good. It takes around 2500 reps to really ingrain a habit (generally), so there is a number to start with if you are learning a new technique (or changing a bad habit on your shot for example), what does it take to maintain that habit? I don't know, but I don't think it is the same number as forming the habit. Plus there are some just natural shooters. My wife can take six months off and still hit 80 out of 100 threes. If I take a weekend off I can see a difference. So I don't know if there is one workout you can give to everyone as the rate of improvement is not the same for everyone. I like the keeping track of shots. At the end of a season I give my players goals to hit by the beginning of the next season. Vance Walberg has a really good 20 min drill that he says he used to determine who could shoot threes in games. I usually give my players that drill and say we are going test them on the drill at the beginning of next season. In order to pass that drill you have to be pretty good. Here is the drill:

Shooters earn their role – you must consistently show us that you have earned the right to shoot the ball when you are open – thus – we have created the 20 minute shooting series (must be completed minimum 2’s a week in the pre-season – 1 a week during the season)
a. Must hit over 60 3’s to shoot a 3 in the game – otherwise you have the 2 miss limit in games
b. Green light – for those that hit 90+ 3’s – Green Light Shooters (90+ three’s) are the only ones that can shoot anytime they are open (other than lay-ups – we love lay-ups) and they are the only players allowed to shoot during a called “streak” – which is calling a time out without calling a time out – slow things down just a bit and get the ball to our “green light” shooters

20 minute shooting
i. 20 Mikan
ii. Around the world – block – block – mid-lane – mid-lane – elbow – elbow – FT
If you miss ball can not hit the floor – if you catch the ball before it hits the floor you keep moving on to the next spot – if you miss and the ball hits the floor you go back to the start (block)
iii. Elbow lay-ups (x-out) – make 20 – 1 dribble in 1 dribble out – use proper hand and footwork
iv. Around the world
v. 5 in a row from 1 elbow – rebound your own shot
vi. 3’s until time is finished – rebound your own shot
1. less than 60 3’s – 2 miss limit in games
2. 60-89 – can shot open 3’s – great shot selection
3. 90+ - green light (can shot anytime you are open and when we are in streak

I am not quite as strict on who can shoot and how often, but I think it is a great goal to try to get to 90+. In order to hit 90 players have to put in a lot of time.

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Re:Off Season Shooting Workouts - 2008/05/30 18:52 I have the drill in my book. I got it from Randy Bennett at St. Mary's, but Bennett was one of the first to go to Walberg - and vice versa - so maybe Bennett got it from Walberg.

Anyway, as a test, it is flawed for two reasons:
1. It rewards fitness as much as shooting accuracy. I watched two SMC players do the drill in a workout and would bet the more fit player attempted 50 more shots than the other player just because he ran everywhere.

2. You don't shoot three-pointers like that in a game. I like the drill for an individual player working out on his own because there's not a lot else to do. But, in a game, you don't rebound the ball, dribble out to the three-point line and shoot. Most threes are shots off the catch. If you dribble out, set yourself, take your time, etc, it's not a measure of game shooting ability.

Anyway, back to the first point: there is a difference between learning and maintaining and each player is different. Also, I think quality of the shot is as important, if not moreso than quantity. 100 game speed reps with perfect mechanics are better than 500 half-speed reps with inconsistent mechanics. Too many times we focus on quantity because it is easy to measure, but its quality that makes you better. anyone can shoot 500 shots. but, how many do you make?

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Re:Off Season Shooting Workouts - 2008/05/30 21:14 As a drill to improve your shooting I don't think the 20 min drill is very good. As a test I think it is great. The kids I have coached that could make 90+ in the drill have without exception been able to shoot lights out in games. I do teach them to toss it out to the three point line and step in to the shot vs dribbling (not a perfect substitution, but pretty good). Sure if you half-ass it is not game like, but that is the case with every drill. I know correlation does not equal causation, but if 100% of the kids that pass the drill are not good but great shooters, then I put some stock in it ( I admit my statistics are only from my experience, about 2 or 3 kids a year). I do agree that to there are more effective ways to improve your shot, but as a test it is pretty dang good. Especially that one person can do it by themselves. It really requires internal motivation on the athletes part to do this, and the confidence that is gained is immense. Plus the fact that you have to be in good shape I think is a bonus, not a hindrance. If you can shoot but are out of shape, you are not getting into the game much on my team. Being in shape is as much a necessary skill as ball handling or defense to me.

What we need is some everyday ideas to do to improve, I have some but would like to hear other ideas. Or what do you do to measure shooting instead of something like this?

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