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Re:defensive drills - 2008/02/05 18:46
Agree and disagree. Yes, most good players do it instinctively. Somewhere in the archives is a blog or a post I wrote in regards to my experience coaching at a Nike camp in China. The Chinese coaches watched me teach things on one court and the other guys teach on another court and asked the other guys why it was different. The other coaches thought the Chinese coaches were dumb because they demonstrated what I was doing. I entered the discussion. I told them to move quickly without thinking. They instinctively did what I was teaching. However, they still insisted on teaching it the slow way and di not even realize the difference. They simply did not get it and were convinced they were right because one of their dads was a successful JC coach and he taught it that way.
However, the disagreement is the slide-run-slide. There is another speed, which is the crossover step. In a sprint, you turn your hips and run parallel to the ball ahndler to catch up. In a crossover step, you cross your trail leg in front of the lead leg but keep your hips squared to the offensive player. This is the movement that is not taught but that great players use because sliding in the inchworm fashion is too slow.
If the offensive player is in front of you, you slide or shuffle. However, once he starts to go, you need to use a hip turn and crossover step to retreat and get back to a defensive position.
I don't know of any video on youtube, but Lee Taft is probably the best DVD: www.sportsspeedtec.com
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Re:defensive drills - 2008/02/05 18:49
Thanks for the responses.
I agree with what you say, but I do think that advanced coaches have been teaching what you emphasize for quite a long time --- going back to my experiences playing in the late 1970s. One of the general ideas was "just stay in front of your man". The don't cross your feet issue was tied to balance, and the step-slide issue was tied to playing defense with your feet, not your hands. But the progression in those drills always one of (as Coach 7 pointed out) turn, stay low, spring to spot and turn the man. So think about the great defensive philosophies --- e.g., Ernie Woods, Disruptive Pressure Basketball, or Knight's emphasis their 3 beating our 5 related to the focus on great on ball pressure combined with great help defense positioning. It is about quick feet and smart positioning. Nobody taught at that level the sort of rigid approach to defensive posture and movement. Ultimately, it comes down to "stay in front of your man" -- no middle penetration AND no baseline, and help defense is about "ball you man" and that means no face cuts -- bump the cutter, never lose sight of both ball and man, and the posession is never over under you secure the rebound.
However, I am interested in learning better and better footwork drills and movement exercises to do with kids --- especially to increase lateral quickness --- and ideas on how to get them to value defensive intensity on every possession.
Any drills/ideas on this would be greatly appreciated.
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video - 2008/02/05 18:59
Look here at 2 minutes 3 seconds, and again at about 2 minutes 17 seconds into the video, Bowen's getting beat, but you can see the technique.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvh9kEwekY8&feature=related
Here is Bowen against AI, on the very first step you can see the technique
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-ZPWnf9fKU&feature=related
Here against Ray Allen about 4-5 seconds in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLgHeeOZJFI&feature=related
It's actually easy to pick this up watching any game, any level, once you start looking for it. It's very common.
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Re:defensive drills - 2008/02/05 19:14
coachmccormick wrote:
In a crossover step, you cross your trail leg in front of the lead leg but keep your hips squared to the offensive player. This is the movement that is not taught but that great players use because sliding in the inchworm fashion is too slow.
If the offensive player is in front of you, you slide or shuffle. However, once he starts to go, you need to use a hip turn and crossover step to retreat and get back to a defensive position.
A couple thoughts come to mind- I think you propose an anatomical impossibility. Hips not squared (momentarily) torso stays squared (the whole time. If you're moving to your own left, and you have crossed your right leg over to be quick, your hips are not still squared up to the offensive player in the moment your R leg has crossed over. If you step one leg across your own center line. the hip has to follow= can't be squared up. As you bring your left leg back in front (moving to the left) then yes, you're squared up again, but not while the right leg is crossed over. Which is why a good cross over dribble can be very effective against this technique- for a split second, the defenders back side is turned to the ball if the dribbler pulls back. Can you see it? Offensive player dribbles hard once to his own right. Defensive player crosses his right leg over to go to his left. Offensive player crosses over and goes by defenders hip/rear end.
Once again, I suspect we are probably saying the same thing, or more precicely in agreement.
Post edited by: coach7, at: 2008/02/05 19:17
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Re:defensive drills - 2008/02/05 19:33
Well, if people taught it, they never taught it to me or any coach I have ever been around. I have coached at several camps where the veteran high school coaches thought I had never played basketball because I refused to teach the step-slide-step-slide-dropstep defensive manuever. At the "fundamental" camp I attended as a kid, we did this for hours.
As for coach7, I get what you mean. However,when looking at the movement as a whole, your hips stay relatively square to the offensive player, as opposed to a sprint. A shuffle or "defensive slide" is best because you are completely square; however, the next speed is a crossover step and then a sprint.
The coaches in China argued the same point about the crossover dribble. However, the argument is not whether a crossover step keeps the hips in better alignment versus a defensive slide, but if they keep them in better alignment versus a sprint. Because, once a defender starts to move on a line to the basket, the defender cannot continue with a defensive slide. And, if the offensive player goes laterally to set-up the crossover, then the defensive player stays square with a defensive slide. The comparison is sprint vs crossover step, not crossover step vs defensive slide.
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Re:defensive drills - 2008/02/27 16:38
Here is an example of MJ teaching the step-slide and drop step:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBikCeeM-YE
My computer does not have volume. However, this is an example of my point. In slow motion, it is hard to argue with anything you see. However, what happens at real speed? What happens when the offensive player does not go where the defender tells him to go?
Again, in this drill, watch the deifference between his body position when he stops in slow motion and in continuous motion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlfjZl21CMk
In slow motion, his upper body sways and his foot is under his hips. In continuous motion, his foot is outside his hips and there is no way. That's the goal when changing directions.
Here is an example of the crossover step:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUqjjPhIPTk
Lee Taft demonstrates the hip turn in the first clip and at about :37 of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ml24Og_6ecg
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