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Re:Any new editions to the Blitz Method? - 2007/11/30 15:55
Brian,
What did the movement look like in the 3-out St. Joe's set? Was there any post movement such as emptying the post, I-cut or out-cuts?
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Re:Any new editions to the Blitz Method? - 2007/11/30 17:20
As I remember, one was a three-point shooter, so he stayed in the corner. The second was Dwayne Jones, I think, who plays with the Cavaliers now, I think. I can't remeber what he would do if the penetration came his way. If his defender committed to stopping penetration early, he'd get a pass for a dunk, I'm sure. If his defender protected the basket, I can't remember if he flared to the short corner for a jump shot or circled to the other side for a dunk. West and Nelson dominated to such an extent that's all I really remember, with Carroll making wide open threes.
At the time, I probably associated more with University of Arizona because of the 3-2 set as opposed to Duke. Duke, Arizona and Florida were the teams I liked the most and tried to emulate when I was developing my philosophies back around 2000.
However, I always like that St. Joe's team because they made it impossible for a team to come from behind because they spaced the floor, made free throws and worked the dribble drive and kick until they got a lay-up or a wide open three-pointer. In some ways, the 3-2 set makes it harder to help than a 4-1 because they started so high with the 3 that there is nobody to help the helper if the post goes to stop the dribble penetration, where as if there is someone in the opposite post and opposite corner, the corner defender can help on the post and force the kick to the corner. The offense creates an open shot, but if you don't have a bunch of shooters, now you're getting corner threes rather than lay-ups. Just a thought. I wonder if I can get a tape of the old St Joe's team from back in the day...
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Re:Any new editions to the Blitz Method? - 2007/11/30 17:30
This really got me thinking last nite after our game where we did not shoot the ball very well, mainly because I do not have a lot of shooters. I put it on paper and it seems the 3-2 set would give the spacing like you described. Im wondering about my post players getting touches though. We've had a hard time getting the ball inside either through tunnel vision or lack of hitting the open man. Ah the growing pains of a young team (still no excuse though).
I think the 3-2 may favor my personnel more. Also I could just as easily run the 4/1 set w/one big in the game and switch to the 3/2 set w/2 bigs. I think Im gonna give it a look tonite at practice and see what it looks like. My only concer is against hard denial pressure. I believe somewhere in my Walberg notes they talk about a dribble handoff to initiate the offense against pressure.
If you can get a hand on some ole St. Joe's stuff I'd be willing to fork up something to get it.
By the way Pepperdine over NAU last nite. I loved the way they never panicked when they went cold and came back for a gutsy win.
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Re:Any new editions to the Blitz Method? - 2007/11/30 18:10
Depending on the level of your bigs, the dribble penetration could provide two easy ways to enter the ball into the post.
(1) On a drive from left to right, the big on the right side could start to circle and then reverse pivot to seal the defender as the ball handler get to the free throw line area. An easy wrap-around pass should give deep post position.
(2) We ran this as a set last year for our PG after an initial drive and kic, but out of a 3-2 set, it would work for the post. Ball handler goes left to right. This time, as he gets to the middle of the ft line, he makes a stride stop. On the stop, the post on the left side seals his defender. The ball handler pivots back to the left to enter the ball to the post.
And, like I said, the 3-2 set might make it more difficult for the help defense to take away the pass to the post on penetration. My problem with posts in this offense is not presenting themselves to the ball and/or not taking up space. They can't stand flat-footed, which is what happens frequently.
Against a hard denial, I look for the backdoor. The other entry I like is a sideways dribble by the point and a circle cut by the trailer. The Phoenix Mercury used this. If the circle cut is denied, the player is in motion for an immediate back cut.
Also, a hard denial means less help defense on a 1v1 move to the basket.
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Re:Any new editions to the Blitz Method? - 2007/11/30 23:13
I put in that 3-2 look tonite as a quick hitter where the strong side wing would shallow cut to the middle and the post would spin and pin on the block. The 3-2 look seemed to clog things up a lot at first so I had to start mty wings very high on the court. Coaching box level. But I think it had more to do w/our inability to stay as patient since we were in a closer proximity to each other.
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Re:Any new editions to the Blitz Method? - 2007/12/01 20:37
With the 3-2, St. Joe's almost looked like they were running a stall offense: the wings would be spread high and wide. If their man totally vacated them, the wings could step into the three-point line and be a threat, especially if the ball handler was in the lane, but otherwise, they were removed from the three-point line, spaced beyond the NBA 3-pt line.
Otherwise, from a 3-2 set, you can use the old Arizona offense which was to pass to the wing and clear the middle of the floor with either a cut to the opposite corner, a long circle below the post player to the ball side corner or to receive a flair screen to cut to the opposite wing. However, their philosophy is that guards should not overpenetrate, so their objective was for guards to get into the paint and shoot pull-up jumpers or dump into one of the posts, which differs from the Memphis/Pepperdine philosophy of lay-ups or threes.
St. Joe's ran the offense with the shallow circle; they just started from further out on the floor. Actually, St. Joe's is the first team that I saw use the shallow circle as an offensive tool, as Walberg used to pass and cut through to the opposite corner like Arizona and Memphis usually does the same thing on a penetration toward the baseline, but they use the shallow circle on top, like St. Joe's, from what I have seen.
If the goal is to isolate the post, I might use it more like Arizona where the middle man goes to the opposite corner initially and the wing penetrates middle, with the opposition of passing to the ball side post who seals as the ball handler gets into the key. If done well and timed correctly, it's impossible to stop the entry pass unless you full front the entire time, and that leaves open a potential lob (high-low) on the penetration or a quic flash from the opp. post for the high-low because of the spacing.
There are 101 different things to do. They key is finding what works for your personnel and punishing the defense when they try to take something away.
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