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Can't get the ball inside - 2008/01/16 06:02
I saw this on another topic, courtesy of Coach McCormick: "Personally, I thought the fact that we shot 24 shots within 3 feet of the basket showed that we adapted pretty well. However, when we misse 19 of the 24 shots, it made it look like we didn't know what we were doing."
I had to chuckle; I just lived that last weekend. Infuriating!
I have an issue maybe someone can help me with. I have big players. They can score once they get the ball. But I cannot get them the ball, because I don't have a point who can consistently keep her head up (elementary school team). When she DOES get her head up, she's too small to get the ball past her defender into the post with any technique she has.
So what she does is just take the ball to the cup herself, whihc is how we got 20 point blank shots last weekend.
Can anyone offer a drill or technique I can use to teahc the girls how to get the ball from the wing into the post? Or perhaps a play that will allow a smallish point to get some space for long enough to make that entry pass?
Regards, all.
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coachmccormick
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Re:Can't get the ball inside - 2008/01/16 06:38
First, the issue I see most often is the reluctance to use the pivot foot to create space away from a defensive player to make the pass. So, that is something to concentrate on.
Second, tactically, try using a high post feed to the low post.
Third, if she starts from a wing, let her penetrate. If she gets cut off, look for the kick to the opposite wing and the opp. wing should have a good pass into the low block.
There are several passing drills I use that are in the Cross Over book. However, one specific to post entry is called Block Passing. Start 5v5 with the ball at the point. The other four players are at the two blocks and the two elbows. The player with the ball calls a teammate's name and she gets open. After the pass, passer fills the open spot. Object is to get the ball entered to the block without dribbling.
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Re:Can't get the ball inside - 2008/01/16 07:14
I just have a few comments from my experience with the younger kids.
I just finished coaching a very advanced female post player. I coached her from 5th thru 8th grade. She is very motivated and works on her game almost year round. In addition to playing for me she has played AAU & CYO for other coaches and she has gone to many camps. She made 1st team all league last season as a freshman. She was able to get a fairly decent seal by 8th grade, but still really had no moves. She had to catch real close, turn her shoulder and try a little bank shot. We spent literally hundreds of hours working on drop steps, up & unders, baby hooks, but it wasn't until the end of her freshman year that she started to use a real move. And then it wasn't even something we'd been working on. She just puts her shoulder in your chest, dribbles and moves you out of the way- Shaq's move (she's 6'-1 & about 225 lbs)
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Learning to play effectively in the post takes a long, long, time. This is why we almost never see a kid 13 and younger who can effectively get a seal on a defender, catch an entry pass while holding position, then snap decide whether they should try to score or kick it out and repost. Then there's the development of post moves. It takes years. The truth is that tall dominant post players get their points from offensive rebounds and put backs. The exceptions to that are so rare that most of us never see one. Personally, if someone told me they had a 6th grader who can achieve a seal, hold position while cathing an entry pass, then finish with a stong post move, I wouldn't believe it unless I saw the kid play with my own eyes. The girl I coaches was frequently getting 12, 15, sometimes more points in Jr High. But almost every basket she made was from an offensive rebound and put back.
As you probably know, a post entry pass from the point guard directly to a post player is a very difficult angle. Unless you're posting up directly in front of the rim. The better angle is from the wing and below the free throw line extended.
I've spent so much time breaking the habit of the over head little soft baby lob pass (automatic turnover) that's so common at Jr High and below level. As common as that weak pass is at the youth level, it unfortunately does not translate into an ability to make a good entry pass into a post player. That is a very difficult pass to get good at if there's an denial at all (1/4 front, 1/2 front, dead front, wing defender sagging off after wing picks up her dribble). In my experience, i can sometimes get 1-2 players to consistently make a good contested post entry pass by 8th grade.
I don't mean to sound discouraging. And of course the answer is you have to keep working on it, and keep trying it. Because eventually they will get it.
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Re:Can't get the ball inside - 2008/01/16 16:57
Quick comments.
I agree to an extent. However, my best friend and teammate when we were in 6th-8th grade had great post moves. Of course, we emphasized getting him the ball and he worked on them all the time. He was still a great JV post player even though he was barely 5-10.
I think post players develop slowly because they never get the ball. PGs handle the ball on every possession and wings handle it on most possessions, but posts rarely handle it. And, most post practice is 1v0, where post player i predicated entirely on the defense and the decision-making is typically the mistake a post player makes.
So, I agree that you rarely see really good post play, but I believe it is possible and have seen it.
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I coach girls - 2008/01/16 19:43
and so does the coach who posted this thread. While I would never claim that a girl cannot do anything that a boy can do... ... and I am aware that there are always going to be exceptions, I was referring to my experience coaching girls and watching girls play. With that in mind, how many under 13 female players have you observed who had a real post game? I thought about it some more after posting last night, and there actually is one female player out of Ukiah who is a frosh now and had a budding post game last year.
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Re:I coach girls - 2008/01/17 05:38
Maybe I misunderstood. If you don't think girls can play in the post, why do you want to get the ball there, as that was basically the original question?
As for girls, I don't watch many hs girls games, however, I did coach at a boys' camp with several girls in attendence and the best post player in camp was an 8th grade girl.
If players are never taught how to play in the post, never trained properly and never get the ball, how can they expect to excel and how do you know if they can play or not?
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